Hello everyone,
I am starting this topic due to the countless comments on forums across the internet on the issue of fundraising by commission, which are invariably negative and not balanced in the slightest. What's more no-one ever seems to offer the view from the other side, i.e. of those who, like me, actually work on a commission basis to fundraise, and what the positive elements of this are (and believe me, there are many!). It actually makes me quite angry a lot of questions are asked in forums such as these by people from genuine charities, who cannot afford fee-based consultants, and want to know the ins and outs of commission based fundraising, but no-one is giving them any answers to their questions and our just spouting the age-old party-line given by the IFT amongst others that commission based fundraising is bad. This seems to come from a simple reiterating of wording from sites like the IFT and not actually from a real-world understanding on how fundraising works and the genuine concerns and problems charities have. Now it is time for me to provide some light on the issue:
People are of course entitled to their views, but I strongly disagree with the point that commission based fundraising is unethical and can lead to problems. This goes against anything I have seen in the market place or with my clients. Simon - the one reason you get so many people asking you to do this is the answer to the question many people ask on this site - its because MOST charities have no money to pay the extortionate fees (£250 to £1000 DAILY) charged by consultancies. What’s more, some agencies who only offer fee-based work and are against commission based fundraising, still admit that their fees can amount to 5-20% of the funds they bring in for the client. Our commission varies from 10-20%, so what is the difference? (see http://www.charity-fundraising.org.uk/about-us/faq/ for evidence of this point!)
I'm afraid the problem is that most people don't put themselves in the shoes of the charities (the clients) and accept that, as I have personally seen countless times in the charity sector, Charities have a) No or little MONEY to spend on staff, b) no or little TIME to spend on fundraising, c) NEED fundraising, d) Fundraising costs money and has to be paid for! The people that say in response to this "just hire volunteers who will do it for their CV" or "charities who arent willing to spend money on this should probably shouldnt be looking for fundraisers" or "charities should be willing to share the risk". These ridiculous answers make it sound like charities have a CHOICE, or have some untapped unrstricted gold reserves to tap into! Unfortunately, ladies and gentleman, this does not apply in the real world.
I think the big point that people miss out on with this issue, is over MOTIVATION. These points that professional fundraisers are professional individuals who need to be treated as such, essentially means nothing in the REAL WORLD. This is because: how can a salaried employee or a fee-based consultant be motivated to apply for larger donations, spend the time on long applications, increase their output and the NUMBER of applications, when they are taking home a nice fee every month?? They cannot possibly be as motivated to do this as those based on commission because they do not have the commission reward to aim for, so what is the point of them increasing their efforts?
Which unfortunately brings us to the point that most professional consultants on a salary or fee type structure rarely admit - that many consultants are expensive and actually bring in poor results. OF COURSE this is not true across the board, but I have a lot of evidence in charities across the UK that would point to the fact that salaried consultants or employees are actually probably scared stiff of having to prove their worth up against a commission- based fundraiser who is genuinely motivated by his commission to do BETTER for the charity.
There are countless cases of charities paying either fixed fee consultants a great deal of money or internal employees such as £45,000 a year salary for a fundraising director (let alone the costs of the whole team around him/her) - but net results can be very poor, with those individuals not motivated to perform above their GENERAL and BASIC duties, or where they simply direct others to do the work.
However, as an example, I recently raised £20,000 for a particular charity client in the last 6 weeks alone. Yes I take 15% of this, which is £3000 - but the workload required to raise this money was huge: almost £100,000 of proposals were sent out to many many trusts, over 30 schools were contacted and headmasters got on board (the charity does music workshops in schools), and for almost 3 months, 7 days a week, my team was preparing applications and writing letters.
Now the people who argue against commission based fundraising , ask yourself this: would the charity have received their £17,000 slice of our work WITHOUT our input? Of course not. This money has a real value to them - they are now using it to fund workshops up and down the UK, some of which is in Special Needs Schools. The countless emails I get from teachers and headmasters who tell me how grateful and happy they are for us to comem in (when they had no budgets and no support from other organisations) is endless, and extremely gratifying.
And this £17,000 worth of valuable work would NOT have come about if our team was not employed on a commission basis to do the work. Charities are too busy, too underresourced, and too poor to pay out salaries or fees. Whats more, we have a motivation to do the work so get the donor pledges back in record time.
It should also be noted that this charity in question was on the verge of bankruptcy recently, such was it poor state of finances. Could they have afforded a fee-based consultant to get them the money we brought in?
Whats more - comments over commission based work being difficult to measure, are totally unfounded. We receive a % of income brought in through direct work that WE do. Noone else will apply to the trusts we apply to, noone else will crossover or get confused with what we do, we will not do joint appeals with someone else - and if future donations are received in years to come from our first successful appeal then the charity keeps 100%of this. There is no reason why it would ever be difficult to measure the input of our work.
Another example - a mental health charity which is another one of our clients. They again have no time or money to pay fees - but they have a very valuable cause, offering counselling to depressed adults who cannot afford it. We are currently putting together a huge application to a major donor which has shown a specific interest in mental health to 2010. This application form is one of the largest in the "super-trust" world, over 30 pages long, needing countless research, refeerees input, etc. Now the client in question hasn't got the time or expertise to do it themselves or money to pay someone else (the form itself will take weeks of work - and at £1000 a day would they really benefit from paying a consultant to do this?!). However, through our input, the charity could end up being the successful recipient of a large sum of money.
And a final point of ethics - nothing is underhanded in what we do, nothing is secretive. As required by law from the 1992 CHarities Act, we are required to state in our applications to trusts and other sources of income about our remuneration agreement with our client (the charity), which we do in every case, usually through a full-cost recovery breakdown analysis which shows a % for the overheads payable to the fundraising team. Donors see this, yet we still achieve good results. One has to wonder if this is because trusts realise, as most charities in this land do (but seemingly not fee-based consultants!), that in the real world experienced fundraisers must be paid for, and if you have no time or money to do this, then there is only one choice: commission based fundraising.
Thankyou for listening - and I invite all your comments, though hopefully they will focus on the pros of commission based fundraising and not just reiterate all the negative and unfounded comments that the community usually make on this issue! And if you are a charity who agrees with this line of working - please get in touch.
Apologies for the length of this message but I felt that the truth of this issue had to finally be shown!
And in response to all these consultancies such as Wooton George that are refusing work on a commission basis - this is fine, we will happily take your clients, safe in the knowledge that we are providing income for good causes that could otherwise not be met! Have you got any contact details for them?
Best wishes
Matt
This comment was last edited on Feb 12, 2010
Matt has posted his views on many sites, see some replies at http://www.fundraising.co.uk/forum/2009/11/24/commission-based-fundraising-truth
This comment was last edited on Feb 12, 2010
Hello Matt,
Really interesting read, thank you. I was looking for opinions on commission-based fundraising simply to see whether it's still viable for the fundraiser.
I have absolutely nothing against it at all. As you say, most small and medium-sized NGOs simply can't afford multiple consultancy fees, although there are consultants out there with a strong social conscience who will match their fees to an organisation's budget (if it was all about money we wouldn't have chosen the Voluntary Sector
).
However, the dilemma I've been hitting with some of my clients has been the one whereby they try to base a restricted income fundraising strategy entirely on commission-based fundraisers.
I'm of the opinions that this is unrealistic for two main reasons, both surrounding the current financial climate:
1) Fundraisers are always in demand. Given the low success rate of applications and the high rate of competition, many professionals given the choice will opt for a salaried position over commission-based simply because it isn't viable to make a living solely on commission.
2) Donors themselves are trying to cut back on spending and tend to frown on commission being written into an application budget. It used to be fairly common practice but it's falling out of favour.
Would you agree with these observations? From your perspective, is commission-based fundraising becoming less popular amongst professionals and donors for these reasons? (Not amongst clients - it's always popular there, but not always realistic).
The additional problem I face in working in developing countries is that there is an overall lack of funding professionals. I train funding professionals but without a salaried position, they will leave when a salary is offered. We all hone our skills in the hope of making a living.
As I say, I have no problem with the concept of commission-based fundraising, I'm just wondering, as a professional, whether it's a viable business for yourself and whether it's becoming harder or easier?
Very interested to know.
Hi Matt,
Who are you? Do you have a website or email address? I run a small charity for needy children and a commission based fundraiser is exactly what we need in order to expand. I would like to make contact with you. You can contact me at childrensaid7777@yahoo.com I'm Anthony.
Dear Matt,
I would also like to make contact with you, I have a small rescue centre which is having to relocate and we are desperate for a commission based fundraiser. Could you please contact me (Tony) on 07974 728695 or 020 88474730 or alice@tropicalzoo.org. many thanks
Dear Matt,
I would also like to make contact with you. People's Princess Trust is a small non-profit charitable concern. Our mission is to support Carers, disabled and vulnerable, who are in urgent need or in a crisis situation. Many of whom have nowhere to turn. Social Services are over stretched and unable to give the urgent support that is needed. We are in desperate need of a commission-based fundraiser. We have been looking on the web, but are unsure of how to find someone who is dedicated and honest. Your help would be much appreciated. Please contact us by email: <jennifer.martin@peoples-princess-trust.org>
Best wishes
Jennifer
Hi all
I am a freelance fundraiser and I have found this discussion very interesting, particularly since I don't generally work on commission. I believe that the Institute of Fundraising and other similar bodies have put the 'commission-based fundraising is unethical' point into their best practice rules because other types of fundraising may lead to debates about who has really brought the money in. For example, a major donor freelancer could effect an introduction to an influential person who then gives money as a result of being asked by the CEO of the charity. The fundraiser could argue that without their input there would be no money, but the charity could argue that they were the ones who actually made the ask, so who is entitled to the glory? It opens a huge can of worms!
And here's another way to look at it: I wouldn't expect an electrician to come to my house and work on commission. I pay him for his time and skills, because I don't have that time or those skills. So just as I pay an electrical specialist, why shouldn't a charity pay me for my fundraising expertise?
Why should fundraisers undervalue themselves by accepting second best? In every other commission-based job eg sales, recruitment, estate agency there is a basic salary on top of which commission is then added. Why, then, should fundraisers do without even a basic salary element? The motivation to earn commission would still be there because a basic salary is just that - basic!
I am not in the position where I can devote all day every day to my job, and neither do I have a team to work around the clock for me. Therefore, my output is not as great as yours, Matt, but I still put as many hours in as I can. But let's face it, I could put two or three weeks worth of time into a bid, but the commission earned may not cover the time I've spent on it in reality. And if it's declined, then I've put in a shedload of hours for no return whatsoever. Like a charity, I'm not so rich that I can afford to work for months without any income.
My most recent client and I have come to an agreement, which perhaps might be a good middle ground, and goes back in a way to the basic plus commission structure. Understandably, they didn't want to spend thousands on me without any guarantees of being awarded grants, but equally I told them I didn't want to spend months working without pay. We finally agreed that I would do certain pieces of work for a fixed fee, and then make ongoing bids on a commission basis. Although I made a concession in this instance, I am still not especially keen on this arrangement because I feel that I should be paid for the work I do, in spite of the outcome.
In reality, I'm not sure there is a 'right' answer to the commission/no commission argument, and I think that perhaps as fundraisers we must sometimes be prepared to change our mindset and work in a different way as the situation might demand. Matt - I hope my response hasn't caused offence; it certainly isn't intended to. You obviously have a great thing going and I wish you the best of luck for it's continued success. As for myself, I will continue to work on a paid basis wherever possible!
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Interesting,
It seems commission based fundraisers are always under attack, and for good reasons, it diminish the intent of a fundraiser in many peoples eyes. No doubt, when a person is earning a commission to help fundraiser organizations, such as those who sell a product or service to be used in fundraising, it can be looked upon as wrong, but all sales is based on commissions or earnings, so is it really wrong?
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